Science Matters with Julie McNamara, Federal Energy Policy Director with the Climate & Energy program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. 

This episode starts off with the TV theme song from The Big Bang Theory which is officially titled “The History of Everything”. It was written and recorded by the Canadian rock band Barenaked Ladies. The history of the song started when the show’s creators, Chuck Lorre and Bill Prady, asked the band to write a song explaining the entire history of the universe. Lead singer Ed Robertson wrote the lyrics from scratch in just about an hour. The track is famous for its rapid-fire, high-energy delivery of scientific milestones, covering everything from the Big Bang to the dawn of civilization.

Our whole universe was in a hot, dense state

Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started, wait…

The earth began to cool, the autotrophs began to drool,

Neanderthals developed tools,

We built the wall (we built the pyramids)

Math, science, history, unraveling the mysteries,

That all started with the Big Bang! 

 We take for granted the amazing creations brought to us by science. Throughout history, scientific discoveries have transformed societies, increased life expectancy, improved living standards, and expanded our understanding of everything from the tiniest particles to the vastness of the universe. Yet today, science often finds itself at the center of public debates about education, health, technology, and public policy. 

The recent Artemis II moon mission brought science to the forefront, as people focused on the amazing crew and the tremendous effort of the astronauts, scientists, technologists and everyone who participated in the project to make it a success. Kids became infatuated with the mission and began to take a greater interest in science. So why does science matter? We cannot ignore science as to surrounds us daily in every aspect of life. Scientific literacy is essential in a democratic society and scientific expertise must not be ignored. Millions of people carry around an amazing device which fits in their pocket and connects them to a world of information. That amazing device the is the cell phone, and people take for granted the scientific research that went into producing it. 

   The cell phone was invented by integrating centuries of scientific discoveries in electromagnetism, computing, and battery chemistry.  It turns your voice into radio waves, routing them across a grid of towers, and shrinking massive circuits to fit in your hand held device. Science produced Rechargeable Battery Chemistry to charge your cell phone. It is interesting to note that Hollywood actress and scientist Hedy Lamarr invented the foundational technology for Wi-Fi. During World War II, she co-created a “frequency-hopping” radio system with composer George Antheil. This spread-spectrum technology prevented radio signals from being jammed and directly paved the way for modern Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and GPS. Scientific advancement made cell phones possible, without them we would all be tied to a wall. 

    Not only is the the smartphone in your pocket based on science, GPS navigation, weather forecasting, medical imaging,  renewable energy technologies, and life-saving pharmaceuticals are only possible by the work of scientists and researchers working for the better good. Many of these innovations originated from government-supported research programs.  

    Science helps determine whether our drinking water is safe, whether medications are effective, whether bridges stand, and whether crops survive drought. Climate change must be addressed, as it affects millions of people. Extreme weather is happening at a faster rate, and communities have to prepare for more floods, hurricanes, and wildfires.  The United States has been a global leader in scientific discovery. Federal investments in research helped create lifesaving medicines, advanced technologies, and countless innovations that fuel our economy. But many scientists now warn that America’s scientific enterprise is facing unprecedented political and financial pressure. Research funding has been reduced, advisory panels have been eliminated, grants have been canceled, and concerns are growing that politics is increasingly influencing scientific decision-making.  Scientists, universities, and organizations across the country are raising alarms about what they see as an erosion of scientific independence.

 Joining us on this episode of TMSOG is Julie McNamara, the Federal Energy Policy Director with the Climate & Energy program at the Union of Concerned Scientists. Julie’s research focuses on policies and measures that facilitate a rapid transition of our nations energy system. She holds an MS in technology and policy from MIT and a BA in biology and political economy from Williams College. Julie has been quoted widely in the Associated Press, Inside Cimate News, the LA Times, NPR and more. We discuss AI Data Centers, the repeal of the Endangerment Finding, the Chevron Deference, and the current climate of science in the US. We need to support the science community in these chaotic times. Science matters!

For more info go to Union of Concerned Scientists at https://www.ucs.org/

To help defend democracy please donate if you can to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to:  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/  https://libertyjusticecenter.org/ and https://civ.works/defend

To help protect the environment visit and please donate to  https://earthjustice.org  and https://action.nrdc.org/ Help save a forest by going to https://www.preservebuttonhook.org/

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/   https://malcolmpresents.com and https://themanyshadesofgreen.com/ Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousnessA shout out to Neil Richter for all his engineering wizardry getting TMSOG out.

Can We De-ICE the Desert? With Bennett Burke, Yolanda Nava and George Polisner

The Protest Song is the tune which opens this episode of TMSOG. It was written and performed by Beans on Toast, which is the stage name of British folk-punk singer Jay McAllister, who frequently writes topical, protest-style folk music. The song has an anti-capitalist and pro-social meaning. The track takes direct aim at corporate greed, corrupt politicians, and globalism, advocating instead for a “people over profit, love over greed” ethos. It’s a call to action as the tune concludes that if enough ordinary people unite, they actually have the power to stop the status quo and change the world. 

ICE pepper sprayed a sitting US Senator… yes, a Senator! And they still want us to believe that this is “normal” and not a government spiraling into straight up lawlessness. Do not shut up about this. Protest. Call your representatives. Push your city to stop cooperating with ICE! That was from a post on Threads on May 26th 2026 which referred to the incident involving Senator Andy Kim who was trying to keep the peace at Delaney Hall, which is an immigration detention facility in Newark, New Jersey where the conditions are horrific. There are reports of inadequate medical care, food shortages and mistreatment of those being held there. Governor Mike Sherrill was denied entry into the facility as protests occurred outside. NJ Senator Andy Kim got caught in the middle when ICE began to pepper spray protestors, and they also sprayed an unknown chemical into the air. ICE fired rubber bullets into the crowd, hitting protesters.  We have had many dark times in American history, but what we are going through now is nothing I could have ever imagined. Our country is now under authoritarian rule, and it is quickly diving into fascism. This is all happening in plain sight, and from within our own government. The rule of law has disappeared. As the post on Threads said, this is not normal, and we cannot shut up about it. While we need to go about our daily lives, we cannot continue to turn a blind eye to what is going on in front of our faces. We need to take action, we need to resist, we need to pay attention, we need to do our civic duty and we must use our power. I literally cannot sleep at night, as the chaos and anguish is taking its toll on not only me, but millions of Americans who see the daily dismantling of democracy. There is strength in numbers, it’s time to take our country back!


Joining us on this episode of TMSOG is Bennett Burke who is a Catholic Priest working with PRICE: Pima Resists ICE -a volunteer group working to keep the abuses and lawlessness of ICE out of Marana and Tucson, AZ. He is a life long Social Justice Activist and Co-Founder of Matthew 25:34, a mutual aid group feeding, clothing, and advocating for people experiencing homelessness. Matthew 25:34 welcomes volunteers of all faiths and philosophies uniting around service to the marginalized and vulnerable with this tag line: “We’re not a church, we’re a movement for the marginalized.” Also on the program is Yolanda Nava a Mexican American pioneer renowned for her contributions to media and civil rights. She is the creator and host of “Do You See What I See” on You Tube. She was the first Latina on KNBC/TV and is an Emmy Award-winning journalist. Yolanda shattered barriers and illuminates stories and her career is a testament to her unwavering commitment to justice and empowerment. George Polisner also joins us. He is the founder of Civ.Works and is our resident political analyst, environmental guru and curmudgeon. 

For more info from George Polisner go to https://civ.works/defend and find his articles on Substack -Leadership Matters. Also please go to https://www.priceaz.org/ to help keep the detention center out of Marana AZ.

To help defend democracy please donate if you can to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to:  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/  https://libertyjusticecenter.org/

To help protect the environment visit and please donate to  https://earthjustice.org  and https://action.nrdc.org/ Help save a forest by going to https://www.preservebuttonhook.org/

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/   https://malcolmpresents.com and https://themanyshadesofgreen.com/ Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

TMSOG Goes Bananas! Plus Food Waste, Banana Bacon Challenge and ‘Greenhushing’ with Charlotte Ghiorse

We start off the podcast with the song Yes, We Have No Bananas, covered by Louis Prima, which was recorded and released in 1949 on Mercury Records. The Song was originally published in 1923 and was written by Frank Silver and Irving Cohn. Frank Silver would stop on his way to a gig at a fruit stand owned by a Greek gentleman, who began every sentence with ‘Yes’. The jingle of his idiom haunted Silver and his friend Cohn. The man at the fruit stand who said “Yes! We Have No Bananas” and inspired the song, never gave a reason as to why he had no bananas, as he probably did not know why bananas were in  short supply. But there was in fact a worldwide decline in the banana crop caused by Panama disease, which develops from a fungus that lives in the soil. So, I can see why the fruit vendor did not have bananas to sell, and yes, Yes, We Have No Bananas had an interesting back story.

We are almost halfway through 2026 and bananas are in the news making headlines for transforming agricultural waste into eco-friendly products, including biodegradable plastic alternatives, sustainable fashion textiles, and renewable energy. Researchers and companies are converting banana peel extracts and fibrous stems (pseudostems) into durable materials, aiming to replace petro-chemical plastics and reduce agricultural waste. Food waste is a growing problem. Food systems are responsible for one-third of all human-caused greenhouse gas emissions. Within that, food loss and waste alone account for an estimated 8-10% of global emissions which is roughly equal to the carbon footprint of the entire tourism industry. Agricultural and corporate food waste has a ripple effect within the populace.  According to a recent article in earth.org, food waste from restaurants and business accounts for 28% of all the food wasted globally. Businesses that implement innovative solutions to reduce food waste can make a profit no ‘greenhushing’ needed. Companies can redirect excess food to communities that need it, which will save money and reduce their methane emissions simultaneously. Individuals also have to rethink their perception of food and change their habits. Eating smaller portions, composting scraps from veggies, fruits and bones and using leftovers can also make a difference. We are a throw away society, and as food gets over produced, it often winds up in land fills polluting the land, air and water. Educating the public about small changes in their habits can lead to both businesses and consumers monitoring their waste more closely, driving a more comprehensive and impactful change. In a world where food insecurity remains a daily reality for millions, the disposal of perfectly edible food is a profound moral failure. Consumer education and awareness about the food system and food waste is encouraged and necessary to reduce waste.

On this episode of TMSOG podcast we discuss how bananas can be used to reduce food waste and pollution. We chat with our resident eco activist, artist, astrologer, comic, marvelous mom and founder of House of Chochlet, Charlotte Ghiorse about Banana Bacon, ‘greenhushing’, Astrology and God’s Love We Deliver, a NYC non-profit that provides nutritious meals to people living with severe illnesses (https://www.glwd.org/). For more info about Charlotte, House of Choclet and Sexy Astrology go to https://www.houseofchoclet.com and Sexy Astrology on Facebook. It might be time to start a Banana Bacon Challenge!

For more information on civic action go to https://civ.works/ To help defend democracy please donate if you can to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/  

To help protect the environment visit and please donate to  https://earthjustice.org  Help save a forest by going to https://www.preservebuttonhook.org/

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/   https://malcolmpresents.com and https://themanyshadesofgreen.com/ Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Help Save Buttonhook Forest (savebuttonhook.org) with Victoria Alzapiedi and Stacy Morgan

We have an interesting song to start the podcast entitled Plantasia.

Plantasia was recorded by Mort Garson on his Moog synthesizer in 1976. The album was created for houseplants to grow, but I am sure the trees would also love it, and your doggies will too. It is quite incredible that the composer created this music for growing plants. The album cover’s tagline reads “warm earth music for plants… and the people who love them.”

On this episode we discuss saving Buttonhook Forest, which is in a suburban area about 45 minutes from NYC. Forests are one of our most critical natural pathways for absorbing and storing excess carbon to fight climate change. For millennia, trees have pulled carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and turned it into their bark, wood and leaves through the oldest carbon-capture technology on Earth: photosynthesis. Trees and plants communicate with each other through underground fungal networks and by releasing airborne chemical signals. These networks allow plants to share nutrients, water, and alarm signals, while chemical signals can warn nearby plants of threats like insect attacks. 

   The “Wood Wide Web”: A vast network of mycorrhizal fungi connects the roots of trees and plants, enabling them to exchange resources. Plants and trees can share vital resources like carbon, water, and nutrients through these fungal links. For example, a shaded sapling may receive carbon from a nearby tree. When a plant is under attack from pests, it can send warning signals through the network to alert its neighbors. When we protect existing forests, we avoid and reduce deforestation which contributes to climate change and biodiversity loss. Forests are one of the most important ecosystems on Earth. They provide habitat to 80% of the world’s land-dwelling species. They help keep our water clean by naturally filtering out pollution. They provide sustenance and offer refuge as well as recreation to billions of people around the planet. A forest isn’t just a patch of trees, it’s a living archive. It’s ecological history. And it’s a space with deep cultural, spiritual, and even ancestral importance. 

Indigenous communities relate to forests socially, economically, politically and spiritually. They use traditional knowledge and sustainable agriculture and resource management to ensure their forests’ survival. It’s hard to overemphasize the importance of forests. The story of saving Buttonhook Forest in is a powerful one as it touches on ecology, water, land, heritage, and a community fighting to protect something irreplaceable. The journey to save this magical forest has taken the core members of the non-profit, Friends of Buttonhook Forest on quite a ride. Joining us to discuss the forest is Victoria Alzapiedi, our resident garden, wildlife and healthy yards guru. She is a board member of Friends of Buttonhook Forest and is a co-founder of New Castle Healthy Yards. She is the chair of the Town of New Castle Conservation Board. In addition, we have Stacy Morgan, a core member of Friends of Buttonhook Forest. Stacy is an organic chemist, and she became interested in climate science while working at the National Physical Laboratory in London.  Stacy is working hard to save this diverse and important carbon sink and she continues to educate and engage the community in protecting this amazing land. For more information go to https://www.preservebuttonhook.org/ and if you can donate, please check out the website and find the Go Fund Me link. Follow the forest on Facebook via Friends of Buttonhook Forest and Instagram @SaveButonhook.

If you want to help protect the environment go to  https://earthjustice.org and https://www.nrdc.org/

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  as well as https://themanyshadesofgreen.com/ Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Bridges Over Generations with Yolanda Nava, Tina Flores and George Polisner

This episode opens with the songGet Up, Stand Up” by Bob Marley and the Wailers which is an anthem for those fighting for one’s rights and resisting oppression. It was inspired by Marley’s visit to Haiti, where he witnessed poverty, and it has become a global rallying cry for human rights and a symbol for movements and protests worldwide. It is a call for people to action, to rise up and demand their rights instead of giving up.  The song touches on unity and the lyric of the chorus has become universal for those facing injustice. Communities must stand up and be one!

    At its core, community means connection—people recognizing that their futures are linked. When one person is isolated, change feels impossible. But when neighbors, friends, or even strangers come together around a shared cause—something shifts. Standing up for your rights doesn’t begin with confrontation—it begins with visibility. When one person speaks up publicly, they open a doorway for others to join. And once people connect, they start to build power. When we come together, we don’t just protect our freedoms—we protect one another. And that is where real power lives. When a community speaks—officials listen, institutions shift, and policies evolve. People feel braver when they know they’re not alone. People felt a sense of community during the recent No Kings Rallies. There is power in numbers and it builds resilience!   

   I am happy to introduce Yolanda Nava and Tina Flores to the TMSOG family. Both amazing ladies will be joining us every other month to give us great information, stories, life experiences and wisdom on social justice issues and more. Yolanda Nava, is an activist, Emmy award winning journalist, and award-winning author.  She is a Mexican American pioneer renowned for her contributions to media and civil rights. Yolanda is on the Editorial Board and is a contributor for Mujures de las Americas. She is the spokeswoman for “Salt of the Earth” Anniversary Commemoration, and creator and host of “Do You See What I See” on You Tube. She was the first Latina on KNBC/TV and won an Emmy Award for her reporting. Yolanda shattered barriers and illuminates stories and her career is a testament to her unwavering commitment to justice and empowerment. 
Tina Flores is an educator and activist who grew up taking social action. Tina is the West Coast Coordinator for Peace and Dignity, and is the President of a World Wide Medical Relief Organization during a Disaster. She is a Teacher for Caregivers for Health and Safety, and she values life highly, in any form, both 2 legged and 4 legged. Tina organized the High school student involvement for Ethnic Studies Fight at UC Berkeley, SF State, Merritt College on Chicano Power for the Chicano Moratorium. She attended rallies, and boycotts from a young age, and continues on that path today. Both Tina and Yolanda work together on important projects related to education, history, and community organizing. George Polisner, founder of Civ.works also joined us on this episode and for more info go to https://civ.works/  To help defend democracy, please donate if you can to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/  

Also please support https://www.democracydocket.com/  If you want to help protect the environment please donate to  https://earthjustice.org Also follow  https://nokingsday.org/

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness.

Pragmatic Environmental Stewardship with Rand Manasse, Board President of Federated Conservationists of Westchester County (FCWC)

We recently lost a truly great human, Jane Goodall. She was a steward of the Earth in so many ways, was a true conservationist and a mensch. She will be missed. This is one of her many wonderful and insightful quotes:

“We face the sixth extinction, climate change, loss of forests, poverty. But hope is about taking action in spite of it all. It’s about saying: I will do my bit. And when we join together, those bits become a movement.”

When we think of Mother Earth we think of conservation. We might envision beautiful national parks, forests full of wildlife, or the ocean’s coral reefs. We must all take action to conserve the land, and be more resilient and sustainable. Conservation is about the daily choices we make — at home, in our neighborhoods, and in our communities. We all need a sense of community to help us get through our daily lives. People have to come together to work on projects that affect their lives. Whether it’s joining an organization to clean up a river or save a forest, or building a relationship with a favorite farmer to support your local farmers market, we must work together to make things better. There are many organizations which work to make an impact on their communities which range from issues on sustainability, as well as supporting local businesses, and educating the citizenry on matters affecting their everyday lives. One of the best examples of community-driven environmental work in Westchester is the Federated Conservationists of Westchester County, known as FCWC, which has been uniting local groups, schools, and municipalities to protect our natural resources for over 60 years. They advocate for clean water, open space preservation, and sustainable development — but more than that, they connect people who care.
    On this episode of TMSOG we are joined by Rand Manasse who is the Board President of the Federated Conservationists of Westchester County, which has been at the heart of environmental advocacy, education, and action in Westchester County New York. For more information and to donate
, go to https://www.fcwc.org/ Also please visit other environmental organizations to help protect the environment:  https://earthjustice.org and https://www.nrdc.org/ and https://www.preservebuttonhook.org/

To help defend democracy and to help lawyers defend our constitution check out:  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/ as well as https://www.democracydocket.com/ If you want to take more effective civic action visit https://civ.works/  

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  as well as https://themanyshadesofgreen.com/ Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Remembering our 9/11 experiences, Should we be Talkin’ About A Revolution? Plus Eco Talk and Astrology with Charlotte Ghiorse (House of Choclet)


We opened this episode of TMSOG podcast with Tracy Chapman’s song “Talkin’ Bout a Revolution” which she wrote when she was 16 years old. It was inspired by her experiences and anger about the socioeconomic disparities she witnessed in school during her teen years. We are still mired in a socioeconomic and racial  quagmire, and things are not getting better. The song rings true today, as we are still experiencing racism rearing its ugly head as SCOTUS, the highest court in the land, tramples our constitutional rights. We are witnessing and watching the dismantling of democracy in plain sight. I believe that we must take action to fight the current dive into authoritarian rule. So it might be time to start talking about a revolution. It is time to rise up, protest, take action, call out your elected officials and make some noise! There is much work to be done to keep our republic from collapsing. Elections must be fair, voting rights are crucial, as are equal rights.  Checks and balances are slipping away and must be put into place to keep the government running. The rounding up of immigrants is tearing families and the citizenry apart, as people are being taken off the streets with little or no due process, and they are being detained in facilities with little regard to their health, safety and welfare. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is rolling back a generation’s worth of rules meant to keep the air, land and water clean. If we don’t take care of the environment, then nothing else will really matter, as breathing is fundamental. There are many environmental issues that need to be addressed, and because of the rollback of EPA rules, there has been an increase in greenhouse gases and carbon emissions. Climate change is affecting temperatures, which are heating up the oceans and land masses causing more extreme weather and fires. We are a single use, throwaway society and we need to reduce, reuse and recycle. More personal responsibility is needed and a good place to start is what is in your closet, as clothing that is thrown out takes years to decompose in landfills. We delve into the topic of textile/clothing recycling, as well as other issues with our resident eco activist, artist, astrologer, comic, marvelous mom and founder of House of Choclet, Charlotte Ghiorse. For more info about Charlotte go to https://www.houseofchoclet.com/ You can catch her comedy stylings on September 13th at the Broadway Comedy Club located at 318 W. 53rd St, New York City at 4pm.

To help defend democracy please donate if you can to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/ and if you want to take more effective civic action visit https://civ.works/  If you want to help protect the environment please donate to  https://earthjustice.org and FABSCRAP at https://fabscrap.org/fabric-recycling

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Our Kids Climate: Teach Your Children Well with Harriet Shugarman, Executive Director of ClimateMama

It cannot be denied that we are in a difficult period of time in the US and globally. How do we talk to children about what is going on without scaring the living daylights out of them?  How do we talk to them about the state of our nation and about climate change?  We need to start listening to them in order to understand their feelings, so that we can better connect with them on topics that might be difficult to explain. With respect to the environment, a good starting point can be to find ways to relate climate change to their daily lives and explore the basic facts together. Try to expose your child to nature as much as possible, and nurture their enjoyment while being outside. Focus on positive action, exploring solutions as a family and pointing out the ways people and communities are working to make a difference. We have to empower children by showing them how they can contribute, emphasizing that it’s not their fault, and fostering a connection to nature and their community. We need to focus on actions and solutions and site examples of people who are working on ways to address climate change. For every problem you discuss, try to show a solution. Discuss positive and inspiring stories you see on the news or in your own community.

Climate education is key and (CRETF work) New York State, outlines the elements that educators believe are required for a successful statewide climate education program. It is based on research and analysis of best practices in other states, as well as the expertise from members, many of whom are educators, scholars, policymakers, and students. It lays out a shared vision which is aligned to ensuring the successful realization of the Climate Leadership and Community Protection Act (CLCPA) New York State’s climate law, which is one of the most ambitious in the country.

It is my honor to have Harriet Shugarman join us on the Season 14 opening episode of TMSOG. Harriet is involved with the Climate & Resilience Education Task Force (CRETF) and is one of the leading voices in the global parent climate movement. She is the founder of and Executive Director of ClimateMama, and the award-winning author of “How to Talk to Your Kids About Climate, Turning Angst into Action.” She is the chair of the Advisory Council for Our Kids Climate, an anchor organization connecting national and grassroots groups from more than 50 countries working on intergenerational organizing and engagement strategies. Harriet is a core team member with Climate Junction/The Ecopsychepedia Project, as well as a Leadership Council member with Dear Tomorrow and a professor of World Sustainability and Climate Change Policy and Society. She is an economist and policy analyst and worked for 13 years with the International Monetary Fund including 10 as an IMF representative at the United Nations. Harriet is a mentor and leader with the Climate Reality Project and the recipient of the prestigious Climate Reality Alfredo Sirkis Memorial Green Ring. So it is important to teach our children well, and Harriet is leading the way in educating children and adults about the need to protect Mother Earth.

New York Climate Week 2025 runs from September 21st to September 28th. For more info on Climate Week NYC go to: https://www.climateweeknyc.org/ Event Calendar from The Climate Group

Additional links of interest are below:

NEST Climate Campus at the Javits Center

Dear Tomorrow Pop Up at The Creative Climate Forum, Pier 57 on 9/25 (no ticket needed to drop in) 

https://www.wecaninternational.org/climate-week

https://www.wecaninternational.org/event-details/climate-week-women-in-action-for-climate-justice-and-a-just-transition-path-to-cop30-and-beyond

WECAN EVENT  UN Church Center 9/24

Climate Education In Action 9/26 SunDay 9/21 with GreenFaith and other organizations. Check out EcoPsychepedia via Climate Junction

Dear Tomorrow

Our Kids Climate

CRETF  Climate Education in NYC

To help defend democracy please donate if you can to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to  https://www.aclu.org/   https://www.brennancenter.org/ and https://civ.works/ If you want to help protect the environment please donate to  https://earthjustice.org

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

People Have the Power with Reverend Fletcher Harper, Executive Director of GreenFaith

We started this episode of TMSOG with the song “People Have the Power” by Patti Smith, which is a song about collective empowerment and the potential for positive change through unified action. It emphasizes the idea that ordinary people, when acting together, possess the ability to shape their world and achieve their dreams. The song was written by Patti Smith and her late husband Fred “Sonic” Smith as a call to action, inspired by the spirit of the 1960s protest movements and aiming to inspire a similar sense of agency in the late 1980s and beyond.  It is an anthem about the collective power of individuals to create change.  It encourages listeners to recognize their own agency and work together to realize their dreams and address societal issues. The song emphasizes that meaningful transformation comes from the unified efforts of people rather than relying on external forces or authority. 

People have the power to do great things, but at times it seems that humans have a propensity to mess things up, especially when it comes to the environment. There are those who are working to make things better and to help reduce the pollution of the land, air and water. We need to build community to protect the Earth. So on this week’s podcast we talk about a powerful ally in the climate movement: religious institutions. From churches to mosques, synagogues to temples, faith communities are stepping up and making a tremendous effort to protect the planet. According to our guest Reverend Fletcher Harper, Executive Director of GreenFaith, the United States stands at a crossroads, as within months, decades of climate progress have been undone. So what can we do to get the pendulum to swing back and get us on a path to creating a healthier planet for current and future generations? 

   For centuries, faith traditions have urged people to care for the Earth. People more likely trust their spiritual leaders more than politicians or corporations. When a pastor, rabbi, imam, or monk speaks about climate change, it can resonate in a deeply personal way. The climate crisis is causing real harm right now and Faith based groups are helping to fill a gap in climate activism by connecting the global crisis to local needs—providing disaster relief, protecting vulnerable communities, and ensuring that climate justice includes racial and economic equity. The message is clear: caring for the planet isn’t just environmental—it’s spiritual and moral. Our guest Rev. Fletcher Harper gives us his thoughts, as well as important information on how GreenFaith is working to inform faith based communities on ways to be proactive on environmental issues. Reverend Fletcher is a pioneer of the global religious environmental movement, and he helped spearhead the faith-based fossil fuel divestment movement. He organizes faith turnouts at major climate mobilizations, and a mobilization is coming up next month as the Faiths 4 Climate Justice Sun Day will take place from September 19th though the 21st, please go to greenfaith.org for more info. Rev Harper is also the founder of Shine, an international campaign that supports women and community-led renewable energy access initiatives in Africa and India. He is the author of GreenFaith: Mobilizing God’s People to Protect the Earth. You can email Rev. Amy Brooks at amy@greenfaith.org for more info on the Sun Day events.

To find out how to take actions to heighten your civic duty go to  https://civ.works/ 

Also please go to the following organizations to get info and if you can, donate to  https://www.ucs.org/  (Union of Concerned Scientists which helps scientists continue their valuable work). If you want to help protect the environment please donate to  https://earthjustice.org/  and World Wildlife FundWWF 

 You can also donate to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to https://www.aclu.org/  https://www.brennancenter.org/ 

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Crazy Train, Censorship, Cancel Culture and Good Lawyers

Crazy Train by Ozzy Osbourne

Crazy, but that’s how it goes, millions of people living as foes

Maybe it’s not too late

To learn how to love and forget how to hate

Mental wounds not healing, life’s a bitter shame

I’m going off the rails on a crazy train

I’ve listened to preachers, I’ve listened to fools

I’ve watched all the dropouts, who make their own rules

One person conditioned to rule and control,

the media sells it and you live the role

The lyrics of Crazy Train are quite apropos as to what is going on in this truly mad world. Ozzy was spot on, as society at large and more specifically, the US of A, is going off the rails. In a recent article in the Mens Journal, Ozzy Osbourne stated that this world scares the sh*t out of me. We’re all living on the tinderbox.” He continued, stating that “there’s some maniac somewhere trying to devise a new means of destruction. It always amazes me that mankind always goes to find the biggest, powerful-est means of destruction before they find anything good. It’s always the negative things they find first.” Osbourne also said that since he had children, he wondered what is being left for them and “what a future we’ve got for mankind. Rest in power Ozzy!


The question arises, what are we leaving our kids and their kids, when the current regime in Washington is taking us back a hundred years, and we are on the eve of destroying the environment, as rules and regulations to reduce climate change and fossil fuel pollution are being removed. The Environmental Protection Agency—or EPA— which was founded in 1970 at the behest of President Nixon, was made a department to safeguard our air, water, and land. But today, the very agency created to protect us is rolling back the rules designed to do exactly that. What happens when protections for clean air, clean water, and public lands are weakened? And who really benefits? 


Clearly big oil and the coal industry are the benefactors and are dancing in the streets, as the black soot and dangerous particulate matter infuses the air with pollutants. Can people NOT SEE what’s going on? Are we in our bubble so deep that we continue to NOT SEE that our health will be affected for generations, as the regulations in place to protect us are stripped away? On this episode of TMSOG, Malcolm and Neil chime in on cancel culture and how comedians on the front line are standing up and telling it like it is (Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, South Park writers and producers Trey Parker and Matt Stone). We also talk about small law firms and solo practitioners banding together to give their time to help immigrants and government workers get the proper legal help they need at these difficult times. So, what is it going to take for citizens to take action? In the words of my brother Mitch, “you got the power, I’ve seen you use it, they say you don’t have it, that’s how you lose it.” Take back your power and do something!

Please go to the following organizations to get info and if you can, donate to  https://www.ucs.org/  (Union of Concerned Scientists which helps scientists continue their valuable work). If you want to help protect the environment please donate to  https://earthjustice.org/   World Wildlife FundWWF   You can also donate to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to https://www.aclu.org/  https://www.brennancenter.org/  https://www.democracydefendersfund.org/ and https://civ.works

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Consider the Octopus-Engaging Youth with Gae Polisner and George Polisner

Walk on the ocean, Step on the stones, Flesh becomes water, Wood becomes bone (Chorus of the song Walk on the Ocean by Toad the Wet Sprocket)

So let’s talk about the ocean which covers approximately 71% of the Earth’s surface. We really can’t walk on it, unless there is some divine intervention. We can revel in it, and walk beside it. I grew up near the ocean and I enjoyed a wonderful childhood on the beach. But I am vexed these days, as the actions of humans are polluting the ocean and large garbage patches called gyres are swirling around harming sea life.  If you mention the gyre to the average person, no one knows what you are talking about. The fact that we are literally turning into plastic beings, as nano and microplastics are in our blood, doesn’t seem to connect with a majority of humans on Mother Earth. We need to educate the populace, as time is running out. So let’s have a quick lesson on gyres. A gyre is a massive system of circular ocean currents formed by global wind patterns and the Earth’s rotation. There are five major oceanic gyres: the North and South Pacific, the North and South Atlantic, and the Indian Ocean gyre. These currents move slowly, continuously—shaping climate, distributing nutrients, and unfortunately, collecting our plastic waste. As plastics break down, they enter the food web. In essence, the plastic pollution concentrated in the gyres creates a toxic and dangerous environment for many marine species, while simultaneously enabling the establishment of unexpected ecosystems of species far from their usual habitats. Many species, such as Octopuses eat crustaceans and small fish that may have already ingested these pollutants. Over time, toxins can build up in their bodies, threatening their health—and ours, if we eat them. Many animals mistake plastic debris for food, filling their stomachs with indigestible material, leading to starvation or internal injuries. Loggerhead sea turtles often mistake plastic bags for jellyfish, their preferred prey. Albatrosses mistake plastic pellets for fish eggs and feed them to their chicks, resulting in starvation or organ rupture. The Houdinis of the sea, Octopuses are highly adaptable, and can slip through tiny crevices, change color, mimic other animals, and use tools. But bad things happen when their watery homes are impacted by gyres as they become garbage traps. Octopuses as well as thousands of other sea creatures need to be protected, and us humans need to work harder to preserve the oceans for all sea life.

On this weeks podcast, in addition to George Polisner our resident political analyst, eco-activist, curmudgeon and  founder of Civ.works we have Gae Polisner, author of young adult and adult adult novels. She is also a practicing family law attorney and mediator. She has co-authored a book with Nora Raleigh Baskin titled Consider the Octopus, which is a heartfelt story about friendship and an empowering call to environmental protection, especially to young people who are already stepping up to help save our oceans and our Earth. For more info go to https://www.gaepolisner.com/copy-of-seven-clues-to-home and @gaepol on instagram. Also go to https://civ.works/ and find out how to take actions to heighten your civic duty .

Also please go to the following organizations to get info and if you can, donate to  https://www.ucs.org/  (Union of Concerned Scientists which helps scientists continue their valuable work). If you want to help protect the environment please donate to  https://earthjustice.org/    You can also donate to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to https://www.aclu.org/  https://www.brennancenter.org/ and World Wildlife FundWWF 

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourEco&SocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.

Penguins, Politics, Plastic and Protest with Charlotte Ghiorse

“You got the power, I’ve seen you use it, they say you don’t have it, that’s how you lose it.” Lyric by Mitch Margo from his song California Reggae Debate (What Can I Do?)

We must act, speak out, protest, and do everything in our power to stop the dismantling of democracy. It’s up to us!!! The current administration is banning words from research documents and reports. An online article from InvestigateMidwest.org  stated that: On the day of his inauguration,  DJT claimed his administration would end the “censorship of protected speech.” But actions speak louder than words. Thanks to a leaked email memo, we now know the Trump administration has drawn up a list of 110 words and phrases that have now been banned from use in the Agricultural Research Service (ARS). ARS is the division of the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) tasked with providing the agricultural research, education and economic analysis that protects the health of the nation’s farmland, ensures the safety of the food we eat and develops solutions for diseases, disasters and other threats to the food supply. Here are the climate related terms that have been removed:

climate, climate change, climate-change, changing climate,  climate consulting, climate models, climate model, climate accountability, climate risk, climate resilience, climate smart agriculture, climate smart forestry, climatesmart, climate science, climate variability, global warming, carbon sequestration, GHG emission, GHG monitoring, GHG modeling, carbon emissions mitigation, greenhouse gas emission, methane emissions, green infrastructure, sustainable construction, carbon pricing, carbon markets. Other topics with banned words are Pollution Remediation, Water Infrastructure, Clean Energy, Clean Transportation, Affordable Housing, and DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion).

I am convinced we are in an alternate universe or a hologram, as we are living in a reality show which has no basis in REALITY! On this episode of TMSOG Charlotte Ghiorse, our art guru, eco-activist and sexy astrologist joins us to discuss banned words, the microplastic problem, the tariff on Penguins, protests, the current state of our nation, what astrology has got to do with it and more. For more info go to houseofchoclet.com, Sexy Astrology on FB and YouTube.

Go to https://www.ucs.org/ and donate to help scientists continue their valuable work. If you want to help protect the environment please donate to https://earthjustice.org/  https://www.beyondplastics.org/   You can also donate to help lawyers defend our constitution by going to https://www.aclu.org/ and the Brennan Center for Justice https://www.brennancenter.org/

To listen to past TMSOG shows go to:  https://hudsonriverradio.com/ and https://malcolmpresents.com  Follow The Many Shades of Green on FB, Threads and Instagram @tmshadesofgreen and on Blue Sky @tmshadesofgreen.bsky.social. Listen to TMSOG podcasts on all major podcast apps.#RaiseYourSocialConsciousness

A Special shout out to Neil Richter for all of his help and engineering wizardry in getting TMSOG up and running each week.